I could be mistaken, but I believe the TLD lids meet both.

While I respect the opinion, you forgot to mention the tons of "standards" that didn't work and did little to improve mountain bikes(many of those you listed were slow to catch on in mtb as well.). Funny you mentioned wider rear hubs, when the industry is now pushing back to a smaller 142. Remember eight speed being the new standard, then nine, and now 10. What about 1 1/8-1.5-now back down to 1 1/8 top 1.5 bottom head tubes. I fail to see how these types of standards make bikes better, unless you count the money made before the public realized it was a waste of time.......I guess what I'm saying is I'd like the product makers to spend a little more time before pumping something out and telling us it's the best only to put out something slightly different a year later. If all of these "standards" are really so awesome, how come no one came up with them years ago? Is there really a tangible benefit for most people? We already beefed up rear hangers, made them replaceable, now we have to have frame makers make a new one special for 1 derailleur option? Seems kinda of backwards thinking in my opinion.

and some gansta rap.

There is video of the crash somewhere, saw it in the pits. Hucked the steep section and tagged the tree at the bottom that a few others did. When we talked to him, he wasn't sure how bad it was. He got a box from us, so I assume he was flying home to have it checked out.

You think dubstep sucks, because the you don't have robot ears.

Or they could have moved the bend further from the center to lessen the leverage on the bars. Nice, another new "standard".

Back when money was in DH.

Someone should do a retro race. Only pre- whatever year bikes allowed.

Couldn't agree more. Didn't the next version of this bike have a gearbox as well? I vaguely remember Cedric rocking one in the early nwd vids.

The only new thing is carbon???? Do you not remember the crazy links and terrible suspension designs of the 90's? Everything now is so refined and proven, for the most part. And Carbon rules, not very new, except on DH bikes. Been on road bikes for years. I wouldn't trade today for the 90's ever.